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Decoder

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas – and other problems. Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policy makers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future. Subscribe here!

The DoorDash Problem: How AI browsers are a huge threat to Amazon
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Amazon’s lawsuit against Perplexity has blown the doors open on the great AI browser fight.

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Ring’s Jamie Siminoff thinks AI can reduce crime
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Ring’s ‘chief inventor’ on AI, lost dogs, and why cameras aren’t dystopian.

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The company at the heart of the AI bubble
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The Nvidia-backed data center company is part of a growing ecosystem of so-called neoclouds propping up the AI industry and its insatiable hunger for compute.

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Sir Tim Berners-Lee doesn’t think AI will destroy the web
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The inventor of the World Wide Web on why he’s still optimistic about the future of the internet.

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How AI is fueling an existential crisis in education
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The system is broken. ChatGPT cheating is just a symptom.

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Lyft CEO David Risher on paying drivers more and the shift to robotaxis
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Risher sees Lyft as a service company above all, but AI makes everything weird.

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How Silicon Valley enshittified the internet
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Enshittification author Cory Doctorow on why things get worse, and how to fight back.

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LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here
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Sean Fitzpatrick promises his AI won’t get you in trouble with a judge.

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Why GM will give you Gemini — but not CarPlay

GM CEO Mary Barra and new Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson on the company’s plans for AI, autonomy, and EVs.

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Decoder is now a video podcast.

We’re very excited to announce that Decoder is now officially on YouTube. So if you prefer to watch and not just listen to your podcasts, you can head over to youtube.com/@decoderpod and subscribe to our new channel, where we’ll post new full-length interviews every Monday.

Our first episode, featuring Zocdoc CEO Oliver Kharraz onstage at the TechFutures conference in New York City, is available now. Check it out, like and subscribe, and tell us what you think.

Zocdoc CEO: ‘Dr. Google is going to be replaced by Dr. AI’

Oliver Kharraz on competition, healthcare, and where AI really belongs in medicine.

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The EV tax credit is gone — now the hard part begins

Guest host Jake Kastrenakes and transportation editor Andy Hawkins discuss the death of the federal EV tax credit and what it means for US automakers.

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Decoder just won gold at the Signal Awards.

Hey folks, we want to say thank you to everyone who has listened to and supported Decoder, which won a gold award for best business podcast at the annual Signal Awards. And now, Verge subscribers can listen to Decoder totally ad free! Check out this guide on how to set that up. And remember, we really do read every email.

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Kevin McShane
The AI industry is at a major crossroads

Imbue CEO Kanjun Qiu comes on the show to discuss this week’s OpenAI news and whether the AI industry will trend toward closed or open ecosystems.

Hayden Field
Rivian CEO: ‘We’re really convicted’ about skipping CarPlay

RJ Scaringe on not politicizing Rivian and how he’s dealing with tariffs, China, and prepping for R2.

Joanna Stern
The good, the bad, and the future of AI agents

Anthropic’s David Hershey joins the show to discuss Claude Sonnet 4.5 and the current landscape for agentic AI.

Hayden Field
Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV

Guest host Joanna Stern and the head of Ford discuss Apple CarPlay Ultra, competing with BYD, and what car she should lease next.

Joanna Stern
How AI safety took a backseat to military money

AI firms are now working with weapons makers and the military. Safety expert Heidy Khlaaf breaks down what that means.

Hayden Field
How chatbots — and their makers — are enabling AI psychosis

New York Times reporter Kashmir Hill on AI psychosis, user delusions, and teen safety.

Hayden Field
How brands and creators are fighting for your attention — and your money

Guest host Hank Green and Digitas CEO Amy Lanzi go deep on digital marketing, AI, and the influencer-creator debate.

Hank Green
Sierra CEO Bret Taylor on why the AI bubble feels like the dotcom boom

The OpenAI chairman, now working on AI agents at his new startup Sierra, on why he’s all in on AI.

Alex Heath
Sal Khan is hopeful that AI won’t destroy education

The CEO of Khan Academy and guest host Hank Green on online education and what AI assistants can really do for learning.

Hank Green
The quest to keep OpenAI honest

Why the EyesOnOpenAI coalition is pushing the AI giant to help humanity instead of chase profits.

Alex Heath
Amazon is betting on agents to win the AI race

Why Amazon AGI Labs chief David Luan thinks solving agents is the next ‘S-curve’ for AI.

Alex Heath
How the head of Obsidian went from superfan to CEO

Steph “kepano” Ango on why productivity tools need community more than they need AI.

Casey Newton
The head of ChatGPT on AI attachment, ads, and what’s next

Nick Turley says OpenAI wants to be able to ‘unequivocally endorse’ ChatGPT to ‘a struggling family member.’

Alex Heath
Notion CEO Ivan Zhao wants you to demand better from your tools

The head of Notion on productivity, LEGO, and what he learned from Kyoto’s craft tradition.

Casey Newton
GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke on Copilot, vibe coding, and AI’s next chapter

The head of GitHub says coding with AI is ‘here to stay.’

Alex Heath
Why tech is racing to adopt AI coding

Anysphere CEO Michael Truell and guest host Casey Newton discuss Cursor and the future of programming.

Casey Newton
Why AI researchers are getting paid like NBA All-Stars

The Verge’s Hayden Field and I chat about how AI researcher became the most lucrative tech job of all time.

Alex Heath
ChatGPT can be a disaster for lawyers — Robin AI says it can fix that

Robin AI CEO Richard Robinson on hallucinations, facts versus truth, and how lawyers can use generative AI today.

Jon Fortt
We are not ready for better deepfakes

Captions CEO Gaurav Misra on his company’s alarming deepfake report and what to watch out for as the tech advances.

Alex Heath
Why tech billionaires want a ‘corporate dictatorship’

Guest host Jon Fortt and The Nerd Reich author Gil Duran discuss the Dark Enlightenment and the rise of tech authoritarianism.

Jon Fortt
Perplexity’s CEO on why the browser is AI’s killer app

Aravind Srinivas on Perplexity’s new Comet web browser, the AI talent frenzy, and a future IPO.

Alex Heath
How decision making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy

Cassie Kozyrkov, former chief decision scientist at Google, on how AI influences decision-making.

Jon Fortt
Inside the AI startup frenzy: ‘Everyone’s pivoting, then pivoting again’

Meaning founder and former Verge reporter Ellis Hamburger on the ethical vacuum in AI and what founders aren’t saying publicly.

Alex Heath