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According to the de Broglie relationship, the wavelength of an object is inversely proportional to its mass. As a result, protons possess a smaller wavelength than their constituent quarks and gluons. this can be verified by simple double slit experiment. One possible explanation for this phenomenon is that the wavelengths of these particles may interfere to produce a combined wavelength that is less than that of the individual particles. However, it is important to note that wavelengths associated with different particles do not interfere with one another.

The wave function of positronium is not just just the combination of an electron and positron wave function. Instead the system behaves as a new single object so it is no surprise it has a different de Broglie wavelength from an electron or positron moving at the same speed.

so i have the following questions:

  • If it's due to the forces, does the concept of a "wavelength of a quark" still apply, or is it only relevant for protons?

  • and If quark wavelengths exist, can we model a proton as three independent quarks influenced by forces that mimic their interactions, allowing for a linear summation of patterns?

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    $\begingroup$ Linked. The confinement radius ("size") of a proton is about one fermi, the Compton wavelength of a pion. Confined constituents in it hardly interact outside this confinement radius. Do you understand how the proton works? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 10 at 15:52
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    $\begingroup$ ...can we model a proton as three independent quarks..." It might be better to view a proton as a terrible swarm of quarks and antiquarks and gluons and anti-gluons with a net quark content of two ups and one down... In other words, Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD) is very hard to understand. Not only are there the usual counterintuitive issues of any quantum theory, but you have the potentially worse issue of trying to understand a non-perturbative theory.... $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 10 at 18:01

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I am not denying that the standard expositions are quite terse and strongly contribute to the confusions, but your question is also full of self-inflicted confusions.

According to the de Broglie relationship, the wavelength of an object is inversely proportional to its mass. As a result, protons possess a smaller wavelength than their constituent quarks and gluons.

de Broglie wavelength

This is just straight up wrong. The de Broglie wavelength, when not modified by any qualifier, always refers to $$\tag{Definition of de Broglie wavelength}\lambda_\text{dB}=\frac h{|\vec p|}$$ And this has to be distinguished from the thermal de Broglie wavelength $\lambda_\text{th}$.

This means that when the composite particle is not moving, its $\lambda_\text{dB}\to\infty$ while its constituents are moving and so their de Broglie wavelengths would be smaller, and thus your assertion is just wrong.

Compton wavelength

The relationship that you are talking about is actually the Compton wavelength $$\tag{Definition of Compton wavelength}\lambda_C=\frac h{mc}$$ I can fully understand that the standard treatments give this quantity a mysterious flair. Its interpretation is usually given as on the Wikipedia page about the limitation on measurement and its geometric interpretation.

There is nothing wrong about those standard interpretations. They are undoubtedly correct. But there is a lot more to say and make sense of them.

If you study closely how the Compton wavelength goes into the physics, how it manifests itself in quantum phenomena, then you will slowly realise that, really, this is not a wavelength at all, but rather it is an oscillation period. The oscillation period of a quantum particle at rest, composite or not, is given by the Compton wavelength divided by the speed of light in vacuum. This represents a lower bound on the oscillation frequency of the quantum particle, the energy-time counterpart to the usual de Broglie wavelength that is about momentum-position relationship.

And because it is a period and not a wavelength, it just so happens to not be what you think it is doing. It is perfectly ok for the oscillation frequency of a composite particle to be greater than that of its constituent parts.

If it's due to the forces, does the concept of a "wavelength of a quark" still apply, or is it only relevant for protons?

It has been pointed out to you multiple times that forces are the first to die in the quantum revolution and there is no future scenario in which it makes a comeback. Stop using the force concept. It has no place in this discussion.

I have already talked about the de Broglie wavelength of the constituents in the answer above.

and If quark wavelengths exist, can we model a proton as three independent quarks influenced by forces that mimic their interactions, allowing for a linear summation of patterns?

The successful modelling of a proton had to have many many quarks and gluons, because the fundamental strong interaction is, as its name suggests, strong. It is just that there are 3 more quarks than there are anti-quarks, and with a lot of cancellation, you are left with those 3 quarks.

There is also another model of a proton as 3 composite quarks thingy that are moving slowly and exchange identities using pions. That is good for low energy low-order perturbative estimations. Not too horrible.

The quark wavelengths have very little to do with either model, though, of course, in the model that goes directly into the fundamental strong interaction, it is programmed into the code to be properly taken into account.

linear summation of patterns

make no sense whatsoever.


Note that although the Compton wavelength is actually a period and not a wavelength, which suggests that we should be changing its units to that of time rather than of space, there is actually no good impetus for that. The reason is that there is tremendous inertia; it would be difficult to make such a change now, and it is also not very justifiable because in natural units, length units = time units. So, it is perfectly ok to continue calling it Compton wavelength. It is probably not a worthwhile fight.

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Does the concept of a "wavelength of a quark" still apply, or is it only relevant for protons?

Theoretically, yes — every particle with momentum has a de Broglie wavelength, including quarks. So in isolation, a quark would have a wavelength depending on its momentum. But in reality, quarks are never free. They’re always confined inside particles like protons and neutrons due to the strong nuclear force — a phenomenon called confinement. So while we can talk about a quark’s wavelength in a calculation, it’s not something we can actually observe directly like we can with a whole proton.

Can we model a proton as three independent quarks with their own wavelengths that add up linearly to form the proton’s wavelength?

That would be nice, but no — it doesn't work that way. The three quarks inside a proton are strongly interacting through the exchange of gluons, and this interaction is incredibly complex and nonlinear. You can’t think of the proton as just a sum of three quark waves — it’s more like a quantum dance where the whole system behaves as a single, inseparable entity.

Think of it like this: the proton isn’t a bag holding three quarks, each with its own wave. It’s more like a single vibrating object, like a guitar string with internal structure. The de Broglie wavelength you measure in an experiment — say with a double slit — is for the entire proton as one object, not its components.

This is just like you mentioned with positronium: it's not just an electron and positron glued together; it's a new system with a new wave function and its own properties. Same goes for protons. The quarks contribute, but the final behavior emerges from the entire, strongly bound system.

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